This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. She was wrongfully convicted.. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. It has very bad energy. Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. This is all BS.She did it. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Immediately after getting out of prison in the year 2000, Larry wrote a detailed letter stating that he lied about his sisters involvement in the death of her husband. The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. Or did they? Whatever the truth is. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. She didnt need to have owned all the guns she ever used, nor to have owned the gun she in fact used. Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). Ive heard she gets to go out to LUNCH and this broad is in prison for murdering her husband Russ Stager? From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. Browns downtown Los Angeles office demanding that he grant Patricia Wright clemency. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. A Pittsburgh-area woman missing for over 30 years and declared legally dead several years ago has been found alive in Puerto Rico, authorities in Pennsylvania said on Thursday. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. I would have liked better her being put to death! Have you read the book? But I suppose you havent a clue about that. After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. I believe in Patricias innocence and she deserves to be freed, at last! Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Thats my life.. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Patricia Kopta left behind a husband and siblings and meandered through northern Puerto Rico for a while before she was taken as a person in need to the adult Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. Now retired, he declined ForensicFilesNow.coms invitation to spar directly with Patricia via a podcast. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. Judge Chika Anyiam sentenced Said to life in prison without the possibility of parole. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Hoist by your own petard. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. "You deserve to die now, not in prison. The evidence was all there. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded.. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Patricia Prue's lawyer Brian Marsicovetere told the court on Friday that his client was "severely mentally ill," and that the case should be used as an example for why the state should focus on developing a strong mental health system. CHOOSE1 Three Strikes Reform Act needs 365,880 signatures by June 1: Volunteer today! Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. It seems so, according to you. His nephew, Islam, the brother to Amina and Sarah and son to Yaser, pleaded guilty to the same charges in June 2021 and received 10 years. Before receiving her final sentence, Patricia Prue, 35, of Waterford addressed the court saying that her biggest regret was not seeking help for her mental health issues earlier. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. They theorize that Andrew Katrinak framed Patricia and that the hostile phone call between Patricia and Joann actually took place not on Dec. 12 as Andrew said but rather on Dec. 7. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. "There is nothing I or anyone can say to make what you've been put through any easier," Patricia Prue said. Did you personally attend the trial? According to Marsicovetere, state programs should be focused on intervening to help those with mental illnesses at the earliest point possible. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. Marcelin said the detectives, referring to Patricia Wright, asked, Dont you want that [expletive] off the street?. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. It was just assumed to be crib death. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? The organization purports that if there were awards for distorted reporting, the Morning Callwould win high honors.. And about the only thing from your comment with which I can agree, is you saying thats not proof theyre right in reference to their verdict. She killed Joann, had a fair and impartial trial, so its time to get over it. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Flaw in reasoning. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? It was like living in your room and getting to go to your kitchen for one hour a day, remembers Larry Wright. Blasczyk said she is pleased with the outcome of the case. Its not logical to say we know the truth unless we seen it for ourselves. Even after 12 years of frustration and dead-ends, the pursuit for their killer never ceased, Spivey said in a statement. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Yaser Said had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014 in connection with the fatal shootings of his daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said, on New Years Day 2008. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Im dying. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Opinion: the ideas that a person or a group of people have about something or someone, which are based mainly on their feelings and beliefs, or a single idea of this type.. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. I had five children to take care of and it was costing me so much money to travel two hours The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. The media love the femme fatale., FBI lab blunder. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? She was so obsessed with Andy that she called him non-stop, multiple times a day, right? Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Nope. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Book her. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. The trial was taking so much of my time. First it was winter, cold temperatures preserve bodies for significantly longer periods. They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. I come home one night, and shes just gone, and nobody knows where shes at, Bob Kopta, husband of Patricia Kopta, said at a press conference reported by Pittsburgh Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? This is the most ridiculous take ever! On June 14, 1989, Patricia Wright and her 7-year-old son, Alfey, were riding in a car driven by family friend Lawrence Slaughter. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. You, however, consider your ill-informed opinion superior to them not only that, you then go to great lengths to belittle them. Her mother was married to my uncle. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Warren, who was tearful at the end of the hearing, said she is pleased with the outcome of the case, and that her office was only waiting on the outcome of Allen Prue's appeal. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. The womans disappearance became a missing person case with the Ross Township Police Department that sat on the shelf, lacking progress, for decades. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. I think shes guilty for sure. Great communicator. She said that she has no idea why her ex-husband killed her daughters. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Thank you and well said. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. There was a blood-stained fingernail and hair found on the victims body, and even though (in Keith Morrisons Dateline documentary) the Asst. Finally, another irony you fail to appreciate: you claim theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. This story has been shared 114,982 times. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. WebHis ex-wife and the mother of the teens, Patricia Owens, watched Said as the judge sentenced him. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. Emailus. It might have said no root but could have been wrong. I guess the investigators in Pennsylvania managed a quick resolve to a huge case that had a nations eyes scrutinizing their every move! The real killer is Rorrer! The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. I am outraged at the rush to judgment displayed by the LAPD, wrote Michelle Alexander, civil rights attorney and author of the influential book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness, in a letter to Patricia. In another peculiar turn of events, LAPD had failed to preserve the evidence when Jerome Scotts body was found two days after his murder. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! Patricia complied fully with the original investigation of the crime and wasnt a suspect because none of the blood or fingerprints found at the crime scene matched hers. And its been bad. Probably by the jeans and the boots. One of the hairs had magically developed root material to enable that. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. Dame Patricia said she was "deeply saddened" to hear of her former co-star's death. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. Its totally irrelevant. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. According to court documents, Patricia Owens, the victims mother and Saids former wife, told authorities that her son and Yaser Saids brothers indicated support for the killings and were not cooperative with law enforcement. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. She is legally blind, has stage four cancer that has spread to her breasts and her brain, causing her to lose control of her bodily functions, leaving her diapered, and has been given six months to live. Advocates for her innocence complain of hype surrounding the case. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. Have a tip we should know? Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. "Please do the right thing for Melissa.". !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Ls HUe7C22R>_%m~e5?h And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. I dont think so. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty. "I'm not sorry we were caught. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. They are total bs. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. Patricia pled guilty on April 2, 1990. It all gave jurors a lot to think about but only for six hours. Nataly is the lead writer on Curious Texas and a breaking news reporter. Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. But in October 1998, the LAPD established a cold case task force and reopened the murder case 17 years after Jerome Scotts death. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. Have a tip or story idea? Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. If I rolled my eyes any harder they might fall out. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. The LAPD alleged that Patricias motive was to get Jeromes insurance money, which had a value of $30,000. Then you claim this is an opinion. in emerging media and communication from the University of Texas at Dallas and an M.S. . Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the St. Louis couple that infamously pointed guns at demonstrators who were marching past their house last summer, have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges in the incident. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. I hope she rots in hell. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. Strands of the accuseds dyed-blond hair at two crime scenes proved it. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. Alfey says that the next thing he knew his mother was being handcuffed and taken to the county jail even though the woman who was showing the model home was given back the stolen property. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. It was Patricias hair no question. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Locked up. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! Your email address will not be published. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. DALLAS, Texas - A Dallas jury unanimously found Yaser Said guilty of killing his two teen daughters on Tuesday. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. Saphira Wolf forgive me, but I dont have the time, or wish, to respond to idiotic comments. Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? Hoist by my own petard! . Browns action to grant clemency was rescinded after discovering that Patricia Wright had two prior felonies from when her son stole two 99-cent toys and a hand towel from an open house 15 years earlier. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. "If she could do that as a woman, my God.". But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers.